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Fluid Infusion uses portions of a XML SAX parser implemented in JavaScript by the XML For Script project. We have adapted and modified the code from their xmlsax.js file.

This parser was originally released under an LGPL license. We made our modifications available in compliance with the license. However, there is an ambiguity about the compatibility of the ECL 2.0 license and LGPL. As a result, we contacted the maintainer of XML For Script, Dimitry Khudorozhkov to ask if he would be willing to license the parser to us with a clearly compatible license.

Dimitry agreed to license us the parser under the zlib/libpng license. He asked us to go ahead and simply add this license notice to our xmlFastPull.js file.

Record of Communication

From colin.clark@utoronto.ca Tue Apr 21 21:02:35 2009
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Hi Dimitry,

I'm the technical lead for the Fluid Project, an open community
dedicated helping improve the usability and accessibility of open
source software. http://fluidproject.org/

As part of our Infusion JavaScript application framework, we've built
a client-side template renderer that helps developers render user
interfaces in an unobtrusive style. Information about it is available
here:

http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Renderer http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Renderer+-+Background

I understand that you're the current maintainer of the XML for Script
project. We're using your excellent JavaScript SAX parser as part of
our renderer. Since our implementation doesn't need all the features
of a SAX parser, we are using only the core engine of the parser,
consisting of modified portions of the code in your xmlsax.js file. As
per your LGPL license, we've shared these modifications back under the
original license. You can see the code here in our repository:

https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/infusion/trunk/src/webapp/lib/fastXmlPull/js/fastXmlPull.js

Fluid Infusion is dual-licensed under both the BSD and Educational
Community License 2.0. ECL is an Apache-style license used by many
academic open source projects.

Given the FSF and Apache Foundation's ambiguous positions on the
compatibility of the Apache and LGPL licenses, we're concerned that
there may be difficulties with us redistributing our code alongside
LGPL libraries. We really like your library a lot, and would love to
continue using it. Given that copyright holder can grant other
licenses, I'm wondering if you would be willing to share the code in
xmlsax.js with the Fluid community under a BSD or similar license that
would allow us to continue using your libraries without fear of
conflicts.

Let me know if this is something you're willing to consider. And don't
hesitate to let me know if you have any questions, or if I can help
explain the issue in more detail.

Best regards,

Colin


Colin Clark
Technical Lead, Fluid Project
Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto http://fluidproject.org

From colin.clark@utoronto.ca Tue Apr 21 21:09:50 2009
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To: Antranig Basman <antranig@caret.cam.ac.uk>,
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Here's my email to the maintainer of the LGPL code we use in the Fluid
Renderer. Keep your fingers crossed that we get a positive response
from him.

Colin

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Colin Clark <colin.clark@utoronto.ca>
> Date: April 21, 2009 9:02:35 PM GMT-04:00
> To: dmitrykhudorozhkov@yahoo.com
> Subject: Licensing XML for Script and the Fluid Project
>
> Hi Dimitry,
>
> I'm the technical lead for the Fluid Project, an open community
> dedicated helping improve the usability and accessibility of open
> source software. http://fluidproject.org/
>
> As part of our Infusion JavaScript application framework, we've
> built a client-side template renderer that helps developers render
> user interfaces in an unobtrusive style. Information about it is
> available here:
>
> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Renderer
> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Renderer+-+Background
>
> I understand that you're the current maintainer of the XML for
> Script project. We're using your excellent JavaScript SAX parser as
> part of our renderer. Since our implementation doesn't need all the
> features of a SAX parser, we are using only the core engine of the
> parser, consisting of modified portions of the code in your
> xmlsax.js file. As per your LGPL license, we've shared these
> modifications back under the original license. You can see the code
> here in our repository:
>
> https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/infusion/trunk/src/webapp/lib/fastXmlPull/js/fastXmlPull.js
>
> Fluid Infusion is dual-licensed under both the BSD and Educational
> Community License 2.0. ECL is an Apache-style license used by many
> academic open source projects.
>
> Given the FSF and Apache Foundation's ambiguous positions on the
> compatibility of the Apache and LGPL licenses, we're concerned that
> there may be difficulties with us redistributing our code alongside
> LGPL libraries. We really like your library a lot, and would love to
> continue using it. Given that copyright holder can grant other
> licenses, I'm wondering if you would be willing to share the code in
> xmlsax.js with the Fluid community under a BSD or similar license
> that would allow us to continue using your libraries without fear of
> conflicts.
>
> Let me know if this is something you're willing to consider. And
> don't hesitate to let me know if you have any questions, or if I can
> help explain the issue in more detail.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Colin
>
> —
> Colin Clark
> Technical Lead, Fluid Project
> Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto
> http://fluidproject.org
>


Colin Clark
Technical Lead, Fluid Project
Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto http://fluidproject.org

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Hi Colin,

is it a good idea if I double-license the parser you need with both LGPL and zlib/libpng?

  • Dmitry.

— On Wed, 4/22/09, Colin Clark <colin.clark@utoronto.ca> wrote:

From: Colin Clark <colin.clark@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Licensing XML for Script and the Fluid Project
To: dmitrykhudorozhkov@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 5:02 AM

Hi Dimitry,

I'm the technical lead for the Fluid Project, an open community dedicated helping improve the usability and accessibility of open source software. http://fluidproject.org/

As part of our Infusion JavaScript application framework, we've built a client-side template renderer that helps developers render user interfaces in an unobtrusive style. Information about it is available here:

http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Renderer http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Renderer+-+Background

I understand that you're the current maintainer of the XML for Script project. We're using your excellent JavaScript SAX parser as part of our renderer. Since our implementation doesn't need all the features of a SAX parser, we are using only the core engine of the parser, consisting of modified portions of the code in your xmlsax.js file. As per your LGPL license, we've shared these modifications back under the original license. You can see the code here in our repository:

https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/infusion/trunk/src/webapp/lib/fastXmlPull/js/fastXmlPull.js

Fluid Infusion is dual-licensed under both the BSD and Educational Community License 2.0. ECL is an Apache-style license used by many academic open source projects.

Given the FSF and Apache Foundation's ambiguous positions on the compatibility of the Apache and LGPL licenses, we're concerned that there may be difficulties with us redistributing our code alongside LGPL libraries. We really like your library a lot, and would love to continue using it. Given that copyright holder can grant other licenses, I'm wondering if you would be willing to share the code in xmlsax.js with the Fluid community under a BSD or similar license that would allow us to continue using your libraries without fear of conflicts.

Let me know if this is something you're willing to consider. And don't hesitate to let me know if you have any questions, or if I can help explain the issue in more detail.

Best regards,

Colin


Colin Clark
Technical Lead, Fluid Project
Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto http://fluidproject.org

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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Hi Colin,<br><br>is it a good idea if I double-license the parser you need with both LGPL and zlib/libpng?<br><br>- Dmitry.<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 4/22/09, Colin Clark <i><colin.clark@utoronto.ca></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Colin Clark <colin.clark@utoronto.ca><br>Subject: Licensing XML for Script and the Fluid Project<br>To: dmitrykhudorozhkov@yahoo.com<br>Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 5:02 AM<br><br><div class="plainMail">Hi Dimitry,<br><br>I'm the technical lead for the Fluid Project, an open community dedicated helping improve the usability and accessibility of open source software. <a href="http://fluidproject.org/" target="_blank">http://fluidproject.org/</a><br><br>As part of our Infusion JavaScript application framework, we've built a
client-side template renderer that helps developers render user interfaces in an unobtrusive style. Information about it is available here:<br><br><a href="http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Renderer" target="_blank">http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Renderer</a><br><a href="http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Renderer+-+Background" target="_blank">http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Renderer+-+Background</a><br><br>I understand that you're the current maintainer of the XML for Script project. We're using your excellent JavaScript SAX parser as part of our renderer. Since our implementation doesn't need all the features of a SAX parser, we are using only the core engine of the parser, consisting of modified portions of the code in your xmlsax.js file. As per your LGPL license, we've shared these modifications back under the original license. You can see the code here in our repository:<br><br><a
href="https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/infusion/trunk/src/webapp/lib/fastXmlPull/js/fastXmlPull.js" target="_blank">https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/infusion/trunk/src/webapp/lib/fastXmlPull/js/fastXmlPull.js</a><br><br>Fluid Infusion is dual-licensed under both the BSD and Educational Community License 2.0. ECL is an Apache-style license used by many academic open source projects.<br><br>Given the FSF and Apache Foundation's ambiguous positions on the compatibility of the Apache and LGPL licenses, we're concerned that there may be difficulties with us redistributing our code alongside LGPL libraries. We really like your library a lot, and would love to continue using it. Given that copyright holder can grant other licenses, I'm wondering if you would be willing to share the code in xmlsax.js with the Fluid community under a BSD or similar license that would allow us to continue using your libraries without fear of
conflicts.<br><br>Let me know if this is something you're willing to consider. And don't hesitate to let me know if you have any questions, or if I can help explain the issue in more detail.<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>Colin<br><br>---<br>Colin Clark<br>Technical Lead, Fluid Project<br>Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto<br><a href="http://fluidproject.org" target="_blank">http://fluidproject.org</a><br><br></div></blockquote><br><br><br><br><br><hr />Want To Make your Email happier !?!?! <a href="http://smileystoolbar.net"><img src="http://smileystoolbar.net/smiley/signaturesmiley/79151175/click_here_07_ba.gif"></img></a>
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From colin.clark@utoronto.ca Tue Apr 28 17:58:26 2009
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Dimitry,

Thanks so much for your response. zlib/libpng looks just fine, and I
really appreciate your willingness to accommodate our project.

Do you want to send me a copy of the zlib/libpng version of your
license header for the file, or should I simply add it in alongside
the LGPL license currently in xmlsax.js?

Colin

On 23-Apr-09, at 3:45 AM, Dmitry Khudorozhkov wrote:

> Hi Colin,
>
> is it a good idea if I double-license the parser you need with both
> LGPL and zlib/libpng?
>
> - Dmitry.
>
> — On Wed, 4/22/09, Colin Clark <colin.clark@utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> From: Colin Clark <colin.clark@utoronto.ca>
> Subject: Licensing XML for Script and the Fluid Project
> To: dmitrykhudorozhkov@yahoo.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 5:02 AM
>
> Hi Dimitry,
>
> I'm the technical lead for the Fluid Project, an open community
> dedicated helping improve the usability and accessibility of open
> source software. http://fluidproject.org/
>
> As part of our Infusion JavaScript application framework, we've
> built a client-side template renderer that helps developers render
> user interfaces in an unobtrusive style. Information about it is
> available here:
>
> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Renderer
> http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Fluid+Renderer+-+Background
>
> I understand that you're the current maintainer of the XML for
> Script project. We're using your excellent JavaScript SAX parser as
> part of our renderer. Since our implementation doesn't need all the
> features of a SAX parser, we are using only the core engine of the
> parser, consisting of modified portions of the code in your
> xmlsax.js file. As per your LGPL license, we've shared these
> modifications back under the original license. You can see the code
> here in our repository:
>
> https://source.fluidproject.org/svn/fluid/infusion/trunk/src/webapp/lib/fastXmlPull/js/fastXmlPull.js
>
> Fluid Infusion is dual-licensed under both the BSD and Educational
> Community License 2.0. ECL is an Apache-style license used by many
> academic open source projects.
>
> Given the FSF and Apache Foundation's ambiguous positions on the
> compatibility of the Apache and LGPL licenses, we're concerned that
> there may be difficulties with us redistributing our code alongside
> LGPL libraries. We really like your library a lot, and would love to
> continue using it. Given that copyright holder can grant other
> licenses, I'm wondering if you would be willing to share the code in
> xmlsax.js with the Fluid community under a BSD or similar license
> that would allow us to continue using your libraries without fear of
> conflicts.
>
> Let me know if this is something you're willing to consider. And
> don't hesitate to let me know if you have any questions, or if I can
> help explain the issue in more detail.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Colin
>
> —
> Colin Clark
> Technical Lead, Fluid Project
> Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto
> http://fluidproject.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Want To Make your Email happier !?!?!
>


Colin Clark
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Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto http://fluidproject.org

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Hi Colin,

> Do you want to send me a copy of the zlib/libpng version of your
license header for
> the file, or should I simply add it in alongside the
LGPL license currently in xmlsax.js?

Just add it right after LGPL.

Regards,
Dmitry.

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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Hi Colin,<br><br>> Do you want to send me a copy of the zlib/libpng version of your
license header for<br>> the file, or should I simply add it in alongside the
LGPL license currently in xmlsax.js?<br><br>Just add it right after LGPL.<br><br>Regards,<br>Dmitry.<br></td></tr></table><br>

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Subject: Re: Licensing XML for Script and the Fluid Project
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:19:05 -0400
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Thanks again, Dimitry. I really appreciate it.

On 28-Apr-09, at 6:14 PM, Dmitry Khudorozhkov wrote:

> Hi Colin,
>
> > Do you want to send me a copy of the zlib/libpng version of your
> license header for
> > the file, or should I simply add it in alongside the LGPL license
> currently in xmlsax.js?
>
> Just add it right after LGPL.
>
> Regards,
> Dmitry.
>


Colin Clark
Technical Lead, Fluid Project
Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto http://fluidproject.org

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