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[16:19:12 EST(-0500)] <athena> actually uportal really needs to do some maven planning as well
[16:19:46 EST(-0500)] <athena> and maven's pretty complex, so there may be other people that want to chat too
[16:20:05 EST(-0500)] <athena> maybe we could have a BOF, or if not, maybe we can just sit down in a corner and talk about what fluid is doing w/ maven these days
[16:31:08 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> either sounds good to me, athena
[16:47:39 EST(-0500)] <jessm> athena: first commit!
[16:47:58 EST(-0500)] <athena> (smile)
[16:47:59 EST(-0500)] <athena> ye
[16:48:00 EST(-0500)] <athena> s, th
[16:48:07 EST(-0500)] <athena> yes, that was our credential-testing commit
[16:48:13 EST(-0500)] <athena> looks like everything's working wonderfully!
[16:48:25 EST(-0500)] <athena> and we've found a spot to stick our little teaching portlet
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[17:44:28 EST(-0500)] <athena> ok colinclark - portlet's in svn:
[17:45:07 EST(-0500)] <athena> i've promised you guys some info on the uportal quickstart so you can play with it next week if you'd like
[17:47:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> cool
[17:47:07 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)
[17:47:11 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks so much, athena
[17:47:14 EST(-0500)] <athena> yep!
[17:47:16 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> have a really good weekend
[17:47:19 EST(-0500)] <athena> thanks, you too!
[17:47:38 EST(-0500)] <athena> i'll be on a plane monday afternoon and evening, but i'll be in for a while in the morning
[17:47:46 EST(-0500)] <athena> otherwise we can regroup after that (smile)
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[11:19:16 EST(-0500)] <athena> Justin_o: I wrote up notes on installing the uPortal quickstart and the fliquor portlet at
[11:19:46 EST(-0500)] <athena> so if you guys get bored, hopefully those should help get you started
[11:20:58 EST(-0500)] <boyan> jhung, do you think it is acceptable to take a test image upon camera detection (the first time only)
[11:21:22 EST(-0500)] <boyan> turns out some cameras do not support providing a summary with supported options (including whether capture is supported)
[11:21:35 EST(-0500)] <boyan> but they will likely not support capture as well
[11:28:17 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> athena: thanks for doing that. I took a quick look at it this morning but haven't gotten a chance to try it out yet
[11:28:27 EST(-0500)] <athena> oh cool
[11:28:36 EST(-0500)] <athena> no rush - just wanted to send those to you before i left for the airport
[11:28:55 EST(-0500)] <athena> it shows up a little weird since most of the skinning doesn't get applied
[11:29:10 EST(-0500)] <athena> and there's a bug in uportal that's causing the fl-theme-mist class not to appear, but we should have that fixed soon
[11:30:02 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> athena: oh okay... i still have to take a look to see if we are going to have conflicts with our versions of mFSS. I think the one in the fliquor demo was a hybrid between the new and old...
[11:30:13 EST(-0500)] <athena> gotcha
[11:30:17 EST(-0500)] <athena> i think our version is super old
[11:30:50 EST(-0500)] <athena> and of course we'll have to talk about how we're going to handle iphone vs. the reguar view
[11:31:03 EST(-0500)] <athena> and whether we want separate views for in a column vs. focus mode
[11:31:07 EST(-0500)] <athena> but we can talk about that wed (smile)
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[11:34:07 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> athena: okay... i'll try to keep it in mind for then though (smile)
[11:34:14 EST(-0500)] <athena> sounds good!
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[14:31:55 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> Hi people!
[14:32:07 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> Here at McCord doing pilot user testing.
[14:32:19 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> Really interesting initial results.
[14:33:11 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> The users find it easy to use and understand for the most part--really like reading the extra description, the on-screen label, and LOVE being able to see a picture of it, the video, and the collect functionality.
[14:33:25 EST(-0500)] <michelled> nice!
[14:33:29 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> Lots of surprising results too:
[14:33:45 EST(-0500)] <yura> jameswy: anyone using it with VO?
[14:34:11 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> Many users are using it in ways we didn't anticipate. The big one is that object code wasn't used as the primary means of navigating through the space/objects (even though this was our design intent).
[14:34:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> neat, jameswy
[14:34:28 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> They were using the exhibitions catalogue and theme sections to navigate through the space!
[14:35:10 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> They were creating relationship between device and space by looking at the artifact, and finding the corresponding thumbnail. I was surprised to see how easily one user did it--REALLY surprised, actually. We never designed it to be easy (rather, we never designed it to be that way at all)
[14:35:25 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> yura: No VO users (also, no VO-capable device)
[14:35:35 EST(-0500)] <yura> ok thanks
[14:36:08 EST(-0500)] <yura> jameswy: we need image recognition (smile)
[14:36:33 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> One of the participants was at the exhibition twice already (making this the third visit), and made interesting, intriguing new discoveries about objects.
[14:36:58 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> yura: Wouldn't that be nice!
[14:40:06 EST(-0500)] <michelled> that's great - must be nice to see users improving their museum experience. (smile)
[14:41:27 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> It's incredibly exciting to see real visitors use our growing baby. Great job guys, really.
[14:44:40 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: How have the performance issues manifest themselves in during the testing?
[14:45:32 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: Ugh... all the users have noticed it and commented on it. One of them didn't notice the loading spinner in the top, but another did.
[14:45:46 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> yeah, no surprise there
[14:45:55 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> There was a bit of impatience, but they were reasonably tolerant of it.
[14:46:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> I made some pretty good progress over the weekend
[14:46:17 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> I really think the visual feedback of buttons helped--you could tell they didn't press it again to make sure they actually pressed it.
[14:46:33 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> A few technical issues:
[14:46:45 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> Have every page now working within one page in the Screen Navigator style... still need back button support and smart dependency loading, but that's coming asap. Then we'll be ready to re-QA and release the fast version.
[14:47:14 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> 1. We had a kernel panic while watching a video. Could be the encoding, could be Hugues' special iPod.
[14:47:50 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> 2. One of the users managed to break chrome. I didn't see it, but we have it screen-recorded and will attempt to reproduce (but I suppose if we go Screen Nav, it wouldn't matter?)
[14:48:31 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> 3. For some reason, on my device, I'm still getting uber-slow performance on the production server, and regular slow on the build server. Hugues' device is regular slow on both.
[14:48:50 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> (I tried clearing my cache/cookies/etc., but it was still as slow as it was using the ATRC's wifi network)
[14:49:42 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: Do you think 0.3bx will be released sometime tomorrow?
[14:52:15 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: I'm not sure about dates for 0.3b3 yet, James
[14:52:31 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> ASAP is about is close as I can get until I've had a bit more time to clarify a few issues.
[14:52:51 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: Sounds good.
[14:53:04 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> As for #2, yes, you're right that it probably will be moot with the Screen Navigator
[14:53:28 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jameswy: #3: Weird. It knows you're from Toronto?
[14:54:16 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> colinclark: No idea!
[14:55:27 EST(-0500)] <jamon> benchmarks showed ~10+ requests/second here, across concurrency levels
[14:55:39 EST(-0500)] <jamon> this slowdown thing, irritating
[14:56:23 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: Any idea what's causing it?
[14:56:33 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> or is that what's irritating about it? (wink)
[14:56:40 EST(-0500)] <jamon> none, haven't even seen it except on Justin_o's computer
[14:57:12 EST(-0500)] <jamon> colinclark: grabbing some tea, when i'm back will post details for you on how to deploy via tomcat's manager app
[14:57:30 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> jamon: ooh, fancy GUI
[14:57:35 EST(-0500)] <colinclark> thanks
[14:59:59 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> Logging off to preserve battery.
[15:00:23 EST(-0500)] <jameswy> See you guys! – and, again, great job.
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[15:26:35 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> Bosmon: I think we were talking about this the other day, but are we using jquery.couch.js
[15:27:24 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> A search for it in Aptana didn't bring up any matches
[15:28:12 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> No
[15:28:22 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> I think I explained that we are not using it currently?
[15:28:36 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> it has some serious thread safety issues and also does not allow the database URL to be customised
[15:28:45 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But it is not to say we never will use it
[15:28:58 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> And in the meantime it can be a useful source of reference...
[15:29:08 EST(-0500)] <Justin_o> ah okay... currently it is in the framework directory... can we remove it from this release?
[15:29:35 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Sure... but isn't it going to be removed from any minified build anyway?
[15:30:18 EST(-0500)] <michelled> not unless someone is rewriting the build scripts (wink)
[15:30:39 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> Someone is rewriting the build scripts (smile)
[15:31:07 EST(-0500)] <Bosmon> But, I meant, it will not end up being delivered to any client at present