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Wiki Markup\[10:00:45 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;cindyli1&gt; anastasiac, michelled, yura and i are thinking to branch off the UIO integration branch for the video player integration since we also need infusion lib and UIO. what do you think?</span> Wiki Markup\] <cindyli1> anastasiac, michelled, yura and i are thinking to branch off the UIO integration branch for the video player integration since we also need infusion lib and UIO. what do you think?

[10:00:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;cindyli1&gt; where&#039;s the latest branch for UIO integration?</span> Wiki Markup\] <cindyli1> where's the latest branch for UIO integration?

[10:01:31 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;cindyli1&gt; btw, i&#039;m talking about oer commons authoring tool</span> Wiki Markup\] <cindyli1> btw, i'm talking about oer commons authoring tool

[10:01:42 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anastasiac&gt; cindyli, the latest UIO integration branch would be the FLOE-1 branch in my github (at least, until Michelle merges it into ] <anastasiac> cindyli, the latest UIO integration branch would be the FLOE-1 branch in my github (at least, until Michelle merges it into authoring-a11y). Not sure what michelled things about you working off that branch, though...</span>

Wiki Markup\[10:02:08 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;cindyli1&gt; great. thanks, anastasiac, i will check in with michelled later</span> Wiki Markup\] <cindyli1> great. thanks, anastasiac, i will check in with michelled later

[10:02:48 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; cindyli1: yes, use anastasiac&#039;s branch</span> Wiki Markup\] <michelled> cindyli1: yes, use anastasiac's branch

[10:02:59 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;cindyli1&gt; cool. thanks, michelled</span> Wiki Markup\] <cindyli1> cool. thanks, michelled

[10:03:12 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; it will go into the a11y branch soon - as soon as anastasiac gets the last few tweaks done</span> Wiki Markup\] <michelled> it will go into the a11y branch soon - as soon as anastasiac gets the last few tweaks done

[10:08:57 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; michelled: do we use trunk of vp?</span> Wiki Markup\] <yura> michelled: do we use trunk of vp?

[10:10:12 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; anastasiac: maybe you know ? ^</span> Wiki Markup\] <yura> anastasiac: maybe you know ? ^

[10:11:10 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; yura: no - use demo</span> Wiki Markup\[10] <michelled> yura: no - use demo

[10:11:20 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; yura: you might want to use Bosmon&#039;s branch instead though</span> Wiki Markup\] <michelled> yura: you might want to use Bosmon's branch instead though

[10:11:26 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; it will probably go into demo soon</span> Wiki Markup\] <michelled> it will probably go into demo soon

[10:11:40 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; but it hasn&#039;t been tested so use what you feel comfortable with</span> Wiki Markup\] <michelled> but it hasn't been tested so use what you feel comfortable with

[10:11:43 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; yura: ^</span> Wiki Markup\] <michelled> yura: ^

[10:13:05 CDT(-0500)] <yura> michelled: Bosmon's master or demo-integration-test

[10:13:05 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; michelled: Bosmon&#039;s master or demo-integration-test</span> Wiki Markup\[10:13:05 ] <yura> ?

[10:15:01 CDT(-0500)] <michelled> demo-integration-test

[10:15:18 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; ?</span> Wiki Markup\] <yura> ok

[10:1516:01 00 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; demo-integration-test</span> Wiki Markup\[10:15:18 ] <michelled> yura: that's the one he did the pull request with, right?

[10:17:07 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; ok</span> Wiki Markup\[10:16:00 ] <yura> ya

[11:32:16 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; yura: that&#039;s the one he did the pull request with, right?</span> Wiki Markup\[10:17:07 ] <jessm> jvass: are you doing James-class things now or are you free?

[12:24:51 CDT(-0500)] <jvass> jessm: I was in James' class, I'm free now though (smile)

[12:25:37 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; ya</span> Wiki Markup\[11:32:16 ] <jessm> jvass: no worries

[12:25:41 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jessm&gt; jvass: are you doing James-class things now or are you free?</span> Wiki Markup\[12:24:51 ] <jessm> i think we're all going to touch base soon

[12:26:23 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jvass&gt; jessm: I was in James&#039; class, I&#039;m free now though <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span> Wiki Markup\[12:25:37 ] <jvass> okay

[12:28:04 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> hello

[12:28:07 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> is Jon Hung dere?

[12:29:56 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jessm&gt; jvass: no worries</span> Wiki Markup\[12:25:41 ] <anuja> is Justin Obara dere?

[12:30:19 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jessm&gt; i think we&#039;re all going to touch base soon</span> Wiki Markup\[12:26:23 ] <jessm> anuja: unfortunately neither is right now

[12:30:27 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jvass&gt; okay</span> Wiki Markup\[12:28:04 ] <jessm> i think jon will be back soon

[12:30:46 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; hello</span> Wiki Markup\[12:28:07 ] <anuja> actually i wanted to discuss the project HTML5 Image Editor

[12:31:06 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; is Jon Hung dere?</span> Wiki Markup\[12:29:56 ] <jessm> anuja: yep, they're the ones to talk to

[12:31:06 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; is Justin Obara dere?</span> Wiki Markup\[12:30:19 ] <anuja> can you please tell me if any other student is working on this project?

[12:33:11 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jessm&gt; anuja: unfortunately neither is right now</span> Wiki Markup\[12:30:27 ] <jessm> anuja: if you can hang around for a few minutes i'm sure one of them will be able to tell you

[12:33:26 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> sure thankyou (smile)

[12:34:46 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jessm&gt; i think jon will be back soon</span> Wiki Markup\[12:30:46 ] <anuja> is there any mailing list for prospective students?

[12:40:43 CDT(-0500)] <jessm> anuja: jhung is back, he'll be able to help you

[12:43:19 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> anuja, is there something I can help with?

[12:46:04 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> sorry for delay

[12:46:06 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; actually i wanted to discuss the project HTML5 Image Editor</span> Wiki Markup\[12:31:06 ] <anuja> hii

[12:46:19 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> hi

[12:46:21 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jessm&gt; anuja: yep, they&#039;re the ones to talk to</span> Wiki Markup\[12:31:06 ] <Justin_o> anuja: hello

[12:46:26 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; can you please tell me if any other student is working on this project?</span> Wiki Markup\[12:33:11 ] <anuja> I went through http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2011/pulkit110/17001

[12:46:35 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jessm&gt; anuja: if you can hang around for a few minutes i&#039;m sure one of them will be able to tell you</span> Wiki Markup\[12:33:26 ] <anuja> the same project that I am interested in

[12:46:50 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> it was also selected last year as well

[12:47:02 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; sure thankyou <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span> Wiki Markup\[12:34:46 ] <anuja> I was hoping if you could tell me

[12:47:07 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> if it was completed

[12:47:09 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> ?

[12:47:25 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; is there any mailing list for prospective students?</span> Wiki Markup\[12:40:43 ] <jhung> Anuja, they are different projects but on a similar theme.

[12:48:03 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> can you point me to the person who implemented this project

[12:48:04 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jessm&gt; anuja: jhung is back, he&#039;ll be able to help you</span> Wiki Markup\[12:43:19 ] <jhung> This year's project is like an extension from last year's, but can stand on its own. There are different features and requirements.

[12:48:05 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; anuja, is there something I can help with?</span> Wiki Markup\[12:46:04 ] <anuja> or the code

[12:48:19 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; sorry for delay</span> Wiki Markup\[12:46:06 ] <anuja> so that I can get some taste

[12:48:48 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; hii</span> Wiki Markup\[12:46:19 ] <jhung> pulkit is in this channel on occasion.

[12:49:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; hi</span> Wiki Markup\[12:46:21 ] <jhung> Anuja, you can send me your question for him and I will forward it.

[12:51:04 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; anuja: hello</span> Wiki Markup\[12:46:26 ] <anuja> sure thanks (smile)

[12:51:11 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> no problem.

[12:51:23 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; I went through <span class="nobr"><a href="http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2011/pulkit110/17001" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2011/pulkit110/17001<sup><img class="rendericon" src="/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="7" width="7" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"/></sup></a></span></span>

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\[12:46:35 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; the same project that I am interested in</span>

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\[12:46:50 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; it was also selected last year as well</span>

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\[12:47:02 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; I was hoping if you could tell me</span>

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\[12:47:07 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; if it was completed</span>

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\[12:47:09 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; ?</span>

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\[12:47:25 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; Anuja, they are different projects but on a similar theme.</span>

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\[12:48:03 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; can you point me to the person who implemented this project</span>

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\[12:48:04 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; This year&#039;s project is like an extension from last year&#039;s, but can stand on its own. There are different features and requirements.</span>

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\[12:48:05 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; or the code</span>

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\[12:48:19 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; so that I can get some taste</span>

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\[12:48:48 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; pulkit is in this channel on occasion.</span>

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\[12:49:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; Anuja, you can send me your question for him and I will forward it.</span>

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\[12:51:04 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; sure thanks <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[12:51:11 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; no problem.</span>

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\[12:51:23 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; just to be clear this project involves only keyboard and mouse</span>

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\[12:51:34 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; or touch screen aswell?</span>

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\[12:51:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; anuja, that would be interesting if touch screens were designed for as well.</span>

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\[12:52:30 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; so our main priority will be keyboard and mouse</span>

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\[12:52:40 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; and then I will extend it to touch screen</span>

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\[12:52:59 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; That sounds like a wise course of action anuja.</span>

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\[12:53:22 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; I am not familiar with fluid infusion</span>

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\[12:53:52 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; please point me to the right resource to get me started</span>

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\[12:53:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; for my proposal</span>

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\[12:54:28 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; anuja, that is okay not to know infusion now, but if selected for the project it is expected that you use Fluid Infusion to develop.</span>

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\[12:55:21 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; but I was hoping to include the design part in the proposal</span>

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\[12:55:36 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; *nitial design</span>

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\[12:55:42 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; that may need knowledge of infusion</span>

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\[12:55:56 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; what exactly you expect</span>

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\[12:56:00 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; in the proposal</span>

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\[12:56:02 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; ?</span>

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\[12:56:50 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; Hi anuja, you can start here: <span class="nobr"><a href="http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/docs/Infusion+Documentation" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/docs/Infusion+Documentation<sup><img class="rendericon" src="/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="7" width="7" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"/></sup></a></span></span>

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\[12:57:26 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; thanku <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[12:57:33 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; I hope that will give you what you need. If not there are experienced Infusion users here in this channel.</span>

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\[12:58:16 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; should I include mockups or wireframe in the propoal</span>

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\[12:58:17 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; ?</span>

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\[12:58:42 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; anuja:  you can also see some demos <span class="nobr"><a href="http://build.fluidproject.org/infusion/demos/" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://build.fluidproject.org/infusion/demos/<sup><img class="rendericon" src="/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="7" width="7" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"/></sup></a></span></span>

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\[12:58:49 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; these are built daily</span>

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\[12:58:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; If you think it will help support your proposal, then include those.</span>

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\[12:59:29 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; can you also give me link to the source of project <span class="nobr"><a href="http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2011/pulkit110/17001" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2011/pulkit110/17001<sup><img class="rendericon" src="/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="7" width="7" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"/></sup></a></span></span>

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\[12:59:36 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; it seems very similar</span>

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\[13:00:15 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; so I will study it and will try to prepare a better and improved version</span>

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\[13:02:48 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; anuja: you can find the code here <span class="nobr"><a href="https://github.com/pulkit110/ImageEditor" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/pulkit110/ImageEditor<sup><img class="rendericon" src="/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="7" width="7" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"/></sup></a></span></span>

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\[13:04:27 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; I will send you an initial draft asap with my queries <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[13:04:33 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; thankyou all</span>

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\[13:05:22 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; just out of curiousity</span>

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\[13:05:29 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; is there any other student as well</span>

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\[13:05:34 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; working on this project</span>

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\[13:05:34 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; ?</span>

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\[13:07:47 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; We are accepting proposals on the project, so there is no official student working on it yet anuja. There have been a number of applications, so make sure you communicate your ideas well in your proposal.</span>

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\[13:09:03 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anuja&gt; okk..</span>

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\[15:41:50 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; Hello, I&#039;m Amanda. I&#039;m spying on you guys for GSoC. <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[16:08:35 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; asteig: Hey, nice to meet you</span>

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\[16:08:43 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; <ac:emoticon ac:name="laugh" /></span>

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\[16:08:54 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; Are you interested in a particular GSoC project?</span>

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\[16:09:42 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; I&#039;m looking at Fluid right now. Kind of in alignment with what I do already.</span>

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\[16:09:49 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; ah, cool</span>

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\[16:10:00 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; Which project are you involved in, if you don&#039;t mind me asking?</span>

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\[16:10:00 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; Let me know if I can answer any questions</span>

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\[16:10:15 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; Sure! Just getting familiar with the code right now on github. <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[16:10:21 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; Me personally? I have a little project I proposed...</span>

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\[16:10:29 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; Inclusive Musical Instruments on the Web</span>

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\[16:10:37 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; Mostly I just try to help out with the other projects</span>

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\[16:10:45 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; I saw that! Looks pretty cool.</span>

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\[16:11:13 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; I know nothing about instruments or music though. Haha</span>

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\[16:11:16 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[16:13:47 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; I&#039;m trying to find where I saw that through my browsing but can&#039;t seem to locate it again. :-p</span>

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\[16:14:40 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; Ha, nevermind. <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[16:15:33 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; Is a background in music required for your project? From a user interface perspective the project seems really cool.</span>

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\[17:09:31 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; asteig: Sorry, I missed your message earlier.</span>

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\[17:09:42 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; I don&#039;t think a background in music is necessarily necessary <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[17:09:52 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; Just creativity and a willingness to learn</span>

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\[17:10:11 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; I have to run, but I hope you have a great weekend and I&#039;ll be around next week to chat if you have more questions</span>

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\[17:10:24 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; Alright, thanks for answering my questions today and the warm welcome. <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[17:10:40 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; Next week you&#039;ll probably find a lot more people who can help answer questions, too</span>

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\[17:10:50 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; Sounds good. See you next week. <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[17:10:50 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; about all the other projects--they&#039;re all really interesting</span>

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\[17:10:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;asteig&gt; Yes!</span>

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\[17:11:00 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; michelled is a good one to talk to <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[17:11:03 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;colinclark&gt; see you!</span>

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\[18:11:42 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; Bosmon - are you afk?</span>

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\[18:11:54 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Hi there travis_84_</span>

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\[18:12:27 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; Hey, I had a question for you</span>

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\[18:12:34 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; What&#039;s the MADD HAPPS <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[18:13:54 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; Have been so lucky as to catch the real Basman from the project we discussed wed.?</span>

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\[18:14:12 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Well, how many of us do you believe there are? : P</span>

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\[18:14:27 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; &#034;Don&#039;t you here, I come in sixpacks&#034; : P</span>

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\[18:15:20 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; hah, toute (sp?)</span>

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\[18:16:01 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; that&#039;s spelt wrong</span>

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\[18:16:11 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; What can I do for you?</span>

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\[18:16:16 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; but anyway, that is awesome</span>

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\[18:16:53 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; I have been doing a lot of research on the area</span>

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\[18:17:02 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; That&#039;s great</span>

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\[18:17:27 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; and the prospect seems within reach</span>

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\[18:17:46 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Well, parts of it are : P</span>

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\[18:17:59 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; We may need to push the parts which rely on 120 years work beyond the horizon of the GSoC project : P</span>

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\[18:18:39 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; true</span>

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\[18:20:05 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; I have been reading up on Sphinx alittle and thinking of its integration into something like this</span>

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\[18:20:39 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Ah, interesting</span>

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\[18:20:42 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Shame it is in Java...</span>

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\[18:20:54 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; It may be better to try to tie into some platform facilities for this</span>

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\[18:21:24 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; If there are any : P</span>

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\[18:21:24 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; such as?</span>

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\[18:21:33 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; On the mobile platforms, there always are</span>

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\[18:21:39 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; And you can depend that they are pretty good</span>

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\[18:21:59 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; Like android</span>

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\[18:22:13 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Since it is quite a point of pride for Google to be able to outdo Apple in speech recognition</span>

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\[18:22:19 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Yes, exactly</span>

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\[18:22:47 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; Android is in java as far as i know</span>

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\[18:22:57 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Well, it is not &#034;real Java&#034; : P</span>

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\[18:23:11 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; It uses the Java language but not the JVM</span>

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\[18:23:56 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; ahh</span>

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\[18:24:12 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; And the product should probably be targeted at one or more mobile OS in any case, since that is precisely where people won&#039;t have access to traditional development affordances...</span>

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\[18:24:15 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Like.... a keyboard : P</span>

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\[18:24:58 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; So an interesting area to look at might be the status of the various efforts to expose the &#034;Platform speech API&#034; to HTML</span>

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\[18:25:20 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; There may be some very early parts of the HTML5 spec, or failing that, you could certainly do it with something like &#034;Phonegap&#034;</span>

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\[18:26:49 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; The authors of Sphinx seem to have very properly given up... doesn&#039;t seem like there has been a release in more than a year</span>

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\[18:26:51 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; phonegap...ok</span>

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\[18:27:07 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; They could never dream of throwing the kind of resources that Google have at this problem : P</span>

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\[18:28:04 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; it is tough too because audio models for speech recognition has been tough to find in the OSP world till recently</span>

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\[18:28:23 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Still, an open source speech processing engine would be very worthwhile in the long term... but it would most likely be better written in a wacky combination of JS and WebGL <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[18:29:24 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; You could certainly experiment with trying to compile Sphinx for Android-Java, but I suspect it will be a pretty rocky road</span>

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\[18:29:34 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; As well as being a method that would only work on one platform...</span>

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\[18:29:40 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; On iOS, all your bets would be off</span>

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\[18:30:14 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; Do you think that a mobile device has the power to handle SR along with all that will be needed to convert to program code?</span>

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\[18:30:28 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; maybe developing as a service?</span>

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\[18:30:34 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Absolutely it does.. Apple&#039;s &#034;Siri&#034; works just fine already</span>

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\[18:30:47 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; to access through the web?</span>

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\[18:30:50 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; I wouldn&#039;t underestimate the horsepower there is on mobiles even today, let alone what there will be by next summer : P</span>

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\[18:31:07 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Remember that today&#039;s devices already have fully fledged GPUs</span>

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\[18:31:22 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Which its possible to offload a huge amount of the legwork for SR if you know how to prod the properly</span>

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\[18:31:28 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; prod it</span>

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\[18:31:53 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; yes, there should be some kind of &#034;cloud aspect&#034;... but probably most usefully just to facilitate collaboration</span>

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\[18:32:03 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; You certainly want the system to keep working when it is offline</span>

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\[18:32:29 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Especially given the &#034;writing code in a crowded underground train&#034; use case : P</span>

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\[18:33:36 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; voice distinction might be tough in a train <ac:emoticon ac:name="cheeky" /></span>

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\[18:33:49 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Yes, and probably disturbing for the other passengers...</span>

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\[18:34:03 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; A big other vehicle for input will be touch...</span>

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\[18:34:24 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Like the Ramanist system I talked about before, which lets you run a finger over the surface and give little &#034;bumps&#034; when you reach significant points</span>

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\[18:34:45 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; But I agree that speech is probably the most appropriate model to explore first for this project</span>

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\[18:35:39 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; But whatever architecture you come up with should be at least somewhat appropriate for touch as well as speech.... or indeed anything else : P</span>

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\[18:35:54 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; I guess one would mostly have to rely on speech output from the device as one of the big means of feedback</span>

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\[18:37:25 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; Ya if i had a program that I talked to, I wouldnt think of touching it too</span>

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\[18:37:39 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Personally I hate the idea of talking to things : P</span>

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\[18:37:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; But then I try to even have a keyboard on my phone...</span>

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\[18:39:18 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; ahh ya I love thought of talking to it and having it program lol</span>

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\[18:39:57 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; I think that is what Clayton is most interested in too</span>

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\[18:40:03 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; (speech input mode)</span>

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\[18:42:26 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; hmm Google says WAMI is an OS project for SR in javascript</span>

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\[18:42:46 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; but it uses flash? yuk</span>

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\[18:42:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Pretend you never heard of it <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[18:44:15 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; <span class="nobr"><a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/HTML5_Speech_API" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.mozilla.org/HTML5_Speech_API<sup><img class="rendericon" src="/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="7" width="7" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"/></sup></a></span> - this is where the money will be, in time...</span>

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\[18:44:31 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; In the meantime, you may have to mock up something yourself using something like PhoneGap</span>

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\[18:44:52 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; But it might be a very useful project outcome if you made some effort to conform the API you make to the upcoming HTML5 standard</span>

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\[18:45:03 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Lots of people would probably pick up whatever integration you made</span>

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\[18:45:43 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; that is my plan</span>

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\[18:45:46 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; This guy has a crazy approach for output - <span class="nobr"><a href="https://github.com/kripken/speak.js" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/kripken/speak.js<sup><img class="rendericon" src="/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="7" width="7" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"/></sup></a></span></span>

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\[18:45:50 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; But it is probably workable</span>

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\[18:46:15 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; I think it would stress the CPU in a mobile device too much though</span>

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\[18:47:09 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; I plan to reduce the hiorrid &lt;div&gt; over use of most wysiwyg&#039;s by using html 5 tags</span>

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\[18:47:54 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Well, here it is.... a couple of Google guys - <span class="nobr"><a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Feb/att-0020/api-draft.html" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Feb/att-0020/api-draft.html<sup><img class="rendericon" src="/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="7" width="7" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"/></sup></a></span></span>

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\[18:49:03 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Wow</span>

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\[18:49:04 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; <span class="nobr"><a href="http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/XGR-htmlspeech-20111206/" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/XGR-htmlspeech-20111206/<sup><img class="rendericon" src="/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="7" width="7" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"/></sup></a></span></span>

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\[18:49:13 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Pretty well worked-out, for something which has no implementation <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

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\[18:51:50 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis_84_&gt; wow ya that last one will be vital</span>

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\[18:53:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; <span class="nobr"><a href="http://simonmacdonald.blogspot.com/2011/05/text-to-speech-plugin-for-phonegap.html" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://simonmacdonald.blogspot.com/2011/05/text-to-speech-plugin-for-phonegap.html<sup><img class="rendericon" src="/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="7" width="7" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"/></sup></a></span></span>

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\[18:54:03 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; This guy has a bit of code that you may be able to springboard off</span>

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\[18:55:44 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Pretty good!</span>

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\[18:55:47 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; it looks quite active</span>

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\[18:55:47 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; <span class="nobr"><a href="https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugins/tree/master/Android/TTS" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugins/tree/master/Android/TTS<sup><img class="rendericon" src="/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="7" width="7" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"/></sup></a></span></span>

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\[18:55:51 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Here is its current house</span>

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\[18:56:19 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; And there&#039;s a vestigial kind of speech recogniser too</span>

Wiki Markup\[18:56:19 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; <span class="nobr"><a href="] <anuja> just to be clear this project involves only keyboard and mouse

[12:51:34 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> or touch screen aswell?

[12:51:55 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> anuja, that would be interesting if touch screens were designed for as well.

[12:52:30 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> so our main priority will be keyboard and mouse

[12:52:40 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> and then I will extend it to touch screen

[12:52:59 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> That sounds like a wise course of action anuja.

[12:53:22 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> I am not familiar with fluid infusion

[12:53:52 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> please point me to the right resource to get me started

[12:53:55 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> for my proposal

[12:54:28 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> anuja, that is okay not to know infusion now, but if selected for the project it is expected that you use Fluid Infusion to develop.

[12:55:21 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> but I was hoping to include the design part in the proposal

[12:55:36 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> *nitial design

[12:55:42 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> that may need knowledge of infusion

[12:55:56 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> what exactly you expect

[12:56:00 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> in the proposal

[12:56:02 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> ?

[12:56:50 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> Hi anuja, you can start here: http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/docs/Infusion+Documentation

[12:57:26 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> thanku (smile)

[12:57:33 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> I hope that will give you what you need. If not there are experienced Infusion users here in this channel.

[12:58:16 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> should I include mockups or wireframe in the propoal

[12:58:17 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> ?

[12:58:42 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> anuja: you can also see some demos http://build.fluidproject.org/infusion/demos/

[12:58:49 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> these are built daily

[12:58:55 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> If you think it will help support your proposal, then include those.

[12:59:29 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> can you also give me link to the source of project http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2011/pulkit110/17001

[12:59:36 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> it seems very similar

[13:00:15 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> so I will study it and will try to prepare a better and improved version

[13:02:48 CDT(-0500)] <Justin_o> anuja: you can find the code here https://github.com/pulkit110/ImageEditor

[13:04:27 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> I will send you an initial draft asap with my queries (smile)

[13:04:33 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> thankyou all

[13:05:22 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> just out of curiousity

[13:05:29 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> is there any other student as well

[13:05:34 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> working on this project

[13:05:34 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> ?

[13:07:47 CDT(-0500)] <jhung> We are accepting proposals on the project, so there is no official student working on it yet anuja. There have been a number of applications, so make sure you communicate your ideas well in your proposal.

[13:09:03 CDT(-0500)] <anuja> okk..

[15:41:50 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Hello, I'm Amanda. I'm spying on you guys for GSoC. (smile)

[16:08:35 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> asteig: Hey, nice to meet you

[16:08:43 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> (big grin)

[16:08:54 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Are you interested in a particular GSoC project?

[16:09:42 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> I'm looking at Fluid right now. Kind of in alignment with what I do already.

[16:09:49 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> ah, cool

[16:10:00 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Which project are you involved in, if you don't mind me asking?

[16:10:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Let me know if I can answer any questions

[16:10:15 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Sure! Just getting familiar with the code right now on github. (smile)

[16:10:21 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Me personally? I have a little project I proposed...

[16:10:29 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Inclusive Musical Instruments on the Web

[16:10:37 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Mostly I just try to help out with the other projects

[16:10:45 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> I saw that! Looks pretty cool.

[16:11:13 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> I know nothing about instruments or music though. Haha

[16:11:16 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> (smile)

[16:13:47 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> I'm trying to find where I saw that through my browsing but can't seem to locate it again. :-p

[16:14:40 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Ha, nevermind. (smile)

[16:15:33 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Is a background in music required for your project? From a user interface perspective the project seems really cool.

[17:09:31 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> asteig: Sorry, I missed your message earlier.

[17:09:42 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I don't think a background in music is necessarily necessary (smile)

[17:09:52 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Just creativity and a willingness to learn

[17:10:11 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> I have to run, but I hope you have a great weekend and I'll be around next week to chat if you have more questions

[17:10:24 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Alright, thanks for answering my questions today and the warm welcome. (smile)

[17:10:40 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> Next week you'll probably find a lot more people who can help answer questions, too

[17:10:50 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Sounds good. See you next week. (smile)

[17:10:50 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> about all the other projects--they're all really interesting

[17:10:55 CDT(-0500)] <asteig> Yes!

[17:11:00 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> michelled is a good one to talk to (smile)

[17:11:03 CDT(-0500)] <colinclark> see you!

[18:11:42 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> Bosmon - are you afk?

[18:11:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Hi there travis_84_

[18:12:27 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> Hey, I had a question for you

[18:12:34 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> What's the MADD HAPPS (smile)

[18:13:54 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> Have been so lucky as to catch the real Basman from the project we discussed wed.?

[18:14:12 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, how many of us do you believe there are? : P

[18:14:27 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> "Don't you here, I come in sixpacks" : P

[18:15:20 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> hah, toute (sp?)

[18:16:01 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> that's spelt wrong

[18:16:11 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> What can I do for you?

[18:16:16 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> but anyway, that is awesome

[18:16:53 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> I have been doing a lot of research on the area

[18:17:02 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> That's great

[18:17:27 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> and the prospect seems within reach

[18:17:46 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, parts of it are : P

[18:17:59 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> We may need to push the parts which rely on 120 years work beyond the horizon of the GSoC project : P

[18:18:39 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> true

[18:20:05 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> I have been reading up on Sphinx alittle and thinking of its integration into something like this

[18:20:39 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Ah, interesting

[18:20:42 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Shame it is in Java...

[18:20:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It may be better to try to tie into some platform facilities for this

[18:21:24 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> If there are any : P

[18:21:24 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> such as?

[18:21:33 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> On the mobile platforms, there always are

[18:21:39 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> And you can depend that they are pretty good

[18:21:59 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> Like android

[18:22:13 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Since it is quite a point of pride for Google to be able to outdo Apple in speech recognition

[18:22:19 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, exactly

[18:22:47 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> Android is in java as far as i know

[18:22:57 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, it is not "real Java" : P

[18:23:11 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> It uses the Java language but not the JVM

[18:23:56 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> ahh

[18:24:12 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> And the product should probably be targeted at one or more mobile OS in any case, since that is precisely where people won't have access to traditional development affordances...

[18:24:15 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Like.... a keyboard : P

[18:24:58 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> So an interesting area to look at might be the status of the various efforts to expose the "Platform speech API" to HTML

[18:25:20 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> There may be some very early parts of the HTML5 spec, or failing that, you could certainly do it with something like "Phonegap"

[18:26:49 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> The authors of Sphinx seem to have very properly given up... doesn't seem like there has been a release in more than a year

[18:26:51 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> phonegap...ok

[18:27:07 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> They could never dream of throwing the kind of resources that Google have at this problem : P

[18:28:04 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> it is tough too because audio models for speech recognition has been tough to find in the OSP world till recently

[18:28:23 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Still, an open source speech processing engine would be very worthwhile in the long term... but it would most likely be better written in a wacky combination of JS and WebGL (smile)

[18:29:24 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> You could certainly experiment with trying to compile Sphinx for Android-Java, but I suspect it will be a pretty rocky road

[18:29:34 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> As well as being a method that would only work on one platform...

[18:29:40 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> On iOS, all your bets would be off

[18:30:14 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> Do you think that a mobile device has the power to handle SR along with all that will be needed to convert to program code?

[18:30:28 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> maybe developing as a service?

[18:30:34 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Absolutely it does.. Apple's "Siri" works just fine already

[18:30:47 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> to access through the web?

[18:30:50 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I wouldn't underestimate the horsepower there is on mobiles even today, let alone what there will be by next summer : P

[18:31:07 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Remember that today's devices already have fully fledged GPUs

[18:31:22 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Which its possible to offload a huge amount of the legwork for SR if you know how to prod the properly

[18:31:28 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> prod it

[18:31:53 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> yes, there should be some kind of "cloud aspect"... but probably most usefully just to facilitate collaboration

[18:32:03 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> You certainly want the system to keep working when it is offline

[18:32:29 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Especially given the "writing code in a crowded underground train" use case : P

[18:33:36 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> voice distinction might be tough in a train (tongue)

[18:33:49 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Yes, and probably disturbing for the other passengers...

[18:34:03 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> A big other vehicle for input will be touch...

[18:34:24 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Like the Ramanist system I talked about before, which lets you run a finger over the surface and give little "bumps" when you reach significant points

[18:34:45 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But I agree that speech is probably the most appropriate model to explore first for this project

[18:35:39 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But whatever architecture you come up with should be at least somewhat appropriate for touch as well as speech.... or indeed anything else : P

[18:35:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I guess one would mostly have to rely on speech output from the device as one of the big means of feedback

[18:37:25 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> Ya if i had a program that I talked to, I wouldnt think of touching it too

[18:37:39 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Personally I hate the idea of talking to things : P

[18:37:55 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But then I try to even have a keyboard on my phone...

[18:39:18 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> ahh ya I love thought of talking to it and having it program lol

[18:39:57 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I think that is what Clayton is most interested in too

[18:40:03 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> (speech input mode)

[18:42:26 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> hmm Google says WAMI is an OS project for SR in javascript

[18:42:46 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> but it uses flash? yuk

[18:42:55 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Pretend you never heard of it (smile)

[18:44:15 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> https://wiki.mozilla.org/HTML5_Speech_API - this is where the money will be, in time...

[18:44:31 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> In the meantime, you may have to mock up something yourself using something like PhoneGap

[18:44:52 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But it might be a very useful project outcome if you made some effort to conform the API you make to the upcoming HTML5 standard

[18:45:03 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Lots of people would probably pick up whatever integration you made

[18:45:43 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> that is my plan

[18:45:46 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> This guy has a crazy approach for output - https://github.com/kripken/speak.js

[18:45:50 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> But it is probably workable

[18:46:15 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> I think it would stress the CPU in a mobile device too much though

[18:47:09 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> I plan to reduce the hiorrid <div> over use of most wysiwyg's by using html 5 tags

[18:47:54 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Well, here it is.... a couple of Google guys - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Feb/att-0020/api-draft.html

[18:49:03 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Wow

[18:49:04 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/htmlspeech/XGR-htmlspeech-20111206/

[18:49:13 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Pretty well worked-out, for something which has no implementation (smile)

[18:51:50 CDT(-0500)] <travis_84_> wow ya that last one will be vital

[18:53:55 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> http://simonmacdonald.blogspot.com/2011/05/text-to-speech-plugin-for-phonegap.html

[18:54:03 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> This guy has a bit of code that you may be able to springboard off

[18:55:44 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Pretty good!

[18:55:47 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> it looks quite active

[18:55:47 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugins/tree/master/Android/SpeechRecognizer" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">httpsTTS

[18:55:51 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> Here is its current house

[18:56:19 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> And there's a vestigial kind of speech recogniser too

[18:56:19 CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> https://github.com/phonegap/phonegap-plugins/tree/master/Android/SpeechRecognizer<sup><img class="rendericon" src="/images/icons/linkext7.gif" height="7" width="7" align="absmiddle" alt="" border="0"/></sup></a></span></span> Wiki Markup\SpeechRecognizer

[19:05:34 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis] <travis_84_&gt; > alright, thanks for the added resources and direction. Here I was headed down the Java path...</span>

Wiki Markup\[19:07:41 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; That&#039;s ok ] <Bosmon> That's ok .... it&#039;'s a path which we all loved once : P</span> Wiki Markup\P

[19:07:47 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Back in the 90s, when Java was still 0500)] <Bosmon> Back in the 90s, when Java was still cool....</span>

Wiki Markup\[19:08:01 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; And you will still get to write a little Java <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span> Wiki Markup\] <Bosmon> And you will still get to write a little Java (smile)

[19:08:12 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; At CDT(-0500)] <Bosmon> At least... you will write a couple of files with a .java extension <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span> Wiki Markup\extension (smile)

[19:08:40 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis] <travis_84_&gt; we&#039;ll see</span> Wiki Markup\> we'll see

[19:09:08 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis] <travis_84_&gt; I&#039;d rather use js so I don&#039;t have to compile all the time</span> Wiki Markup\> I'd rather use js so I don't have to compile all the time

[19:11:01 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;travis] <travis_84_&gt; > thanks again for the feedback and have a good evening</span> Wiki Markup\evening

[19:23:57 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Thanks for popping by, ] <Bosmon> Thanks for popping by, travis_84_</span> Wiki Markup\

[19:24:00 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Great to talk to you as usual</span> Wiki Markup\] <Bosmon> Great to talk to you as usual

[19:24:26 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Bosmon&gt; Don&#039;t hesitate to appear again here or on the mailing lists if you have any other questions or ideas</span>] <Bosmon> Don't hesitate to appear again here or on the mailing lists if you have any other questions or ideas