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[09:11:02 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <michelled> Justin_o: how do you feel about different jslint declarations at the tops of files?</span>

[09:11:22 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> michelled: that's fine i guess. what were you planning on chaining?</span>

[09:11:59 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <michelled> Justin_o: Bosmon's last pull request changes the jslint options for the DataBinding.js file</span>

[09:13:02 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <michelled> seems like he's made it consistent with FluidIoC which is not the same as Fluid.js</span>

[09:13:32 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <michelled> Justin_o: I suppose when we are planning on releasing 1.5 we can talk about consolidating all of it or not</span>

[09:13:46 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <michelled> if you're happy I'm going to put this pull request in</span>

[09:15:24 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> michelled: I think those changes to the jslint comment should be okay</span>

[09:16:06 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <michelled> anastasiac: the pull request that I'm looking at right now adds some new features to the framework - in particular it seems that 'backwash' support (as Bosmon calls it) will be available to everyone using a change applier</span>

[09:16:57 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <anastasiac> thanks, michelled. There seem to be a few new(ish) things in the framework that need to be documented...</span>

[09:17:29 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <michelled> yep, and Justin_o when we do get to a 1.5 we'll need to have some conversation around new APIs</span>

[09:20:10 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> michelled: okay.. makes sense.. i wonder if you should file a blocker for that so we don't forget</span>

[09:22:04 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <michelled> sure, I'll do that</span>

[09:23:15 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> michelled: thanks</span>

[09:40:15 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> clown: do you happen to know much about optgroups and how AT's work with them</span>

[09:40:42 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> There's a question in the jQuery UI channel about it?</span>

[09:41:00 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> the "?" was a type-o <ac:emoticon ac:name="sad" /></span>

[09:41:00 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: green">* clown trying to recall what optgroups are, Justin_o — something to do with <select> elements?</span>

[09:41:10 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-author/the-optgroup-element.html" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-author/the-optgroup-element.html</a></span>

[09:42:06 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <clown> Justin_o: is this new for HTML5? Or were they present in HTML4</span>

[09:42:07 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <clown> ?</span>

[09:42:34 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> clown: not completely sure, but i think it's new to html5</span>

[09:42:43 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: green">* clown wonders if browsers publish anything about them to the aapi...</span>

[09:43:10 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <clown> well, if it's new, then it's less likely that browser do anything with them vis-a-vis the aapi.</span>

[09:44:04 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <clown> to answer the question: 1. find out if browsers do publish anything regarding optgroups to the aapi. 2. If not, then AT's do anything with them, they would have to look directly at the DOM.</span>

[09:44:27 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <clown> oh, and 1a. Do AT's use the info published to the aapi for optgroups?</span>

[09:44:34 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> clown: thanks.. looks like it was in html 4 as well</span>

[09:48:49 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> clown: what is the tool you use to check that again?</span>

[09:52:08 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <kasper> morning avtar</span>

[09:52:18 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <avtar> key kasper</span>

[09:52:51 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <kasper> ..so I'm finally finding some time to look into the wysiwig for the wiki</span>

[09:53:28 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <kasper> but forgot what distro I should install…</span>

[09:53:50 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <kasper> something ubuntu, but 10.04 or something brand new like 11.10 or the like?</span>

[09:54:47 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <clown> Justin_o: check the AAPI? On GNOME I use Accerciser. On WinXP, I use Accprobe. Also, If your browser is FF, you can check using the DOMInspector plug-in. The plug-in is slightly easier to use than the inspector apps.</span>

[09:55:02 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <kasper> avtar ^</span>

[09:55:05 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <avtar> kasper: 10.04 should be fine</span>

[09:55:14 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <kasper> coolio, thanks</span>

[09:55:18 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <avtar> if you use vagrant then it'll install that release by default</span>

[09:55:21 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> clown: thanks</span>

[09:55:36 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> clown: does the firefox plugin work on mac?</span>

[09:55:37 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <kasper> oooh, nice</span>

[09:55:41 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <kasper> less work for the kasper</span>

[09:55:46 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <kasper> <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

[09:55:48 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <avtar> kasper: you might want to ping colin though</span>

[09:56:26 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <avtar> regarding mediawiki related work</span>

[09:56:53 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <avtar> i'm not sure what the long term plans are for the wiki</span>

[09:57:40 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> clown: any chance you might like to help me write up wiki page one how to use those tools</span>

[09:58:51 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <clown> Justin_o: a small chance… Gotta go to a meeting in a couple minutes. Can you give me an idea of the timeline?</span>

[09:59:59 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> clown: I'd imagine that the jQuery ui guys would like to have something to look at asap.. Would it help if i got a page started, and then you can fill in the necessary details</span>

[10:00:05 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <clown> Oh, just saw this: "clown: does the firefox plugin work on mac?", Jusin_o. Alas, nope — it works, but it does not show any a11y info.</span>

[10:00:17 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <kasper> avtar: yeah - I'll give him a poke once he gets on! thanks!</span>

[10:00:42 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> clown: i was afraid of that.. oh well. by the way is it just me or does the Mac Accessibility inspector not show anything for safari</span>

[10:00:44 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> ?</span>

[10:01:13 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <clown> Justin_o: dunno. I rarely use Safari. And I never try to do anything with it in terms of a11y.</span>

[10:01:22 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> clown: <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /> okay</span>

[10:01:31 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <clown> maybe I should...</span>

[10:01:40 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <clown> anyhow, meeting time. bbl</span>

[10:20:28 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> clown_mtg: I've started a page at <a href="http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Browser+Accessibility+Inspection+Tools" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Browser+Accessibility+Inspection+Tools</a></span>

[10:20:41 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> it's pretty basic at the moment</span>

[10:36:19 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> fluid-everyone: couldn't get into adobe connect, my update is that I'm working on decapod ui still.. have been a bit distracted by looking into tools for accessibility checking for jQuery Ui… started a wiki page for it <a href="http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Browser+Accessibility+Inspection+Tools" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.fluidproject.org/display/fluid/Browser+Accessibility+Inspection+Tools</a></span>

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