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[09:56:18 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> yura1: for setting priorities in IoC, can i have a negative priority</span>

[09:56:20 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> ?</span>

[09:57:08 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <yura1> i think so</span>

[09:57:15 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> thanks.. can i mix that with "last"</span>

[09:57:25 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <yura1> i would step into code though to see what takes precedence</span>

[10:06:22 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> yura1: thanjks</span>

[10:06:24 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> thanks</span>

[10:10:00 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> yura1: i didn't step through the code, but a quick test looks like last wins</span>

[10:10:07 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <yura1> cools</span>

[11:49:05 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <avtar> hey kasper</span>

[11:49:44 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <avtar> i've made the required changes to the gpii wiki</span>

[12:58:15 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <kasper> avtar - you're a hero!!!</span>

[12:58:23 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <kasper> thanks a lot</span>

[13:04:22 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <colinclark> michelled: Here's a fairly concrete example of schema.org's approach to micro data: <a href="http://schema.org/Person" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://schema.org/Person</a></span>

[13:05:11 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <colinclark> Looks to me like the general approach is based on a proposed W3C Microdata spec: <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/microdata.html" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/microdata.html</a></span>

[13:06:56 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: green">* clown toots own horn: <a href="http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.4/#rna11y.zoom-settings" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.4/#rna11y.zoom-settings</a></span>

[13:12:29 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <colinclark> clown: Yay!</span>

[13:12:36 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <colinclark> I enjoyed seeing the dialog in Fedora 17 alpha</span>

[13:12:41 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <colinclark> very nice</span>

[13:15:03 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <michelled> thx colinclark</span>

[13:40:52 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <avtar> kasper: np</span>

[13:52:02 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Justin_o> fluid-everyone: the community meetings is on now.. yura is talking about node.js</span>

[15:09:20 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <travis_84> New to an irc but saw this project at GSoC and wanted to introduce myself</span>

[15:12:43 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> Hi travis_84, welcome</span>

[15:13:07 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> Which project(s) are you interested in?</span>

[15:14:53 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <travis_84> Hi. Well the whole program itself is awesome, it hits close to home more and more</span>

[15:15:24 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> Glad you like it <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

[15:19:23 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <travis_84> but there are quite a few projects I want to help on (GSoC accepted or not). The one within my major is the ATutor chat redesign. But I am going big and studying up on something I tried with voice recognition; "Towards non-visual/accessible programming"</span>

[15:21:28 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> travis_84 - that's great</span>

[15:21:48 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> I was disappointed there had been so little interest in that project so far, which I am sure is one of the most interesting</span>

[15:23:59 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <travis_84> it really is</span>

[15:24:47 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> There's little enough work being done even in alternative visual methods of programming</span>

[15:24:59 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> Most people seemed to get discouraged after the 80s</span>

[15:25:43 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <travis_84> especially with touch gestures becoming mainstream, gesture programming with possible voice support sounds possible</span>

[15:25:49 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> You may be interested in this PhD thesis that was published in 92... <a href="http://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.edu/techreports/ucb/text/CSD-93-726.pdf" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.edu/techreports/ucb/text/CSD-93-726.pdf</a></span>

[15:25:56 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> This guy is now at Oracle, but he is generally discouraged : P</span>

[15:26:25 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> There is a little work at Microsoft in using the tablet form factor for some kinds of coding</span>

[15:26:50 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> But it is mostly pretty simplistic stuff which produces lists of rules for actors in games to follow</span>

[15:30:08 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <travis_84> hmm, I will add that to my reading lol. I think the first step would be to create a visual language to represent the programming functions and elements?</span>

[15:30:46 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> travis_84 - it may well be easier to start with some kind of "visual intermediate", yes</span>

[15:30:52 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> Especially if you are a sighted user yourself : P</span>

[15:32:16 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <travis_84> True, at least once we have a visual context we have a place to start for the hearing only too</span>

[15:32:29 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> Some other people who are interested in the project are Clayton Lewis, a professor here at CU, and T.V. Raman, a blind developer who is a research scientist at Google</span>

[15:33:21 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> In talking to Raman, Clayton noticed an interesting idea he had, in treating elements of a non-visual interface as proxies for "queries" which you could say a sighted user runs automatically</span>

[15:33:48 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> So he saw that Raman had made a system where he could play games like "Bejeweled" by use of these kinds of "queries"</span>

[15:34:11 CDT(-0500)] <span style="color: black"> <Bosmon> But an important part of the system is that the user could manage and edit this set of queries to suit their own use of the system for a particular task</span>

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