\[09:41:57 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; justin_o: I will be doing a little testing of genpdf today, especially the DPI and width/height options. I want to see how these two options interact.</span>

\[09:42:24 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung: great thanks.. i&#039;m still testing out the 12.04 upgrade stuff</span>

\[09:43:19 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; justin_o: cool. I&#039;m using 10.04</span>

\[09:45:35 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung: okay.. good to start with that</span>

\[09:50:34 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; justin_o: I was just thinking about when we do automate the genpdf test plan, the output files can be named according to the input file(s) and the options used.</span>

\[09:51:16 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung: that makes sense.. will help keep track of them</span>

\[09:51:24 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; and hopefully reduce confusion</span>

\[09:56:17 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung: are we putting off the upgrade to Ocropus 0.5 till a later release?</span>

\[10:01:35 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; justin_o: I hope not. We need to get Hasan to give us a plan on how he expects to upgrade.</span>

\[10:01:58 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung: yes.. from the last meeting it didn&#039;t sound like he wanted to upgrade at all</span>

\[10:03:10 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; justin_o: hesitant, yes, but I think he&#039;d be willing to if given the right reasons (i.e. quality improvements).</span>

\[10:03:32 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; the tough part is that it&#039;s probably a heavy investment to do the upgrade.</span>

\[10:04:24 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung: could be.. i guess we don&#039;t really know what&#039;s involved.. at least i don&#039;t</span>

\[10:04:36 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; yeah. Neither do I justin_o.</span>

\[10:04:49 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; I guess we should talk to him about it.</span>

\[10:04:53 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung: okay</span>

\[10:04:59 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; But let&#039;s sort out the Ubuntu 12.04 issue first.</span>

\[10:05:11 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; Get that stable, then let&#039;s try to tackle Ocropus 0.5</span>

\[10:07:40 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung: sounds like a plan..</span>

\[10:08:21 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung: still trying to test out avatar&#039;s install changes.. but it&#039;s going slow.. also setting up a new dev vm in Ubuntu 12.04</span>

\[10:12:04 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; okay justin_o.</span>

\[10:44:52 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; justin_o: is it feasible to implement a unit picker for the exporter UI? Idea is the user can choose between inches, cm, and pixels, and labels and units change to reflect their choice.</span>

\[10:50:28 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; um.. i&#039;m not sure i follow completely</span>

\[10:50:50 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; so we wouldn&#039;t expose the dpi option in that case?</span>

\[10:50:53 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung: ^</span>

\[10:52:08 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; justin_o: the units is an internationalization preference.</span>

\[10:53:29 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; Example: there is a selector for output dimensions of common page sizes (i.e. A4, 8.5x11, etc). Their units would be displayed as cm, inches, or pixels.</span>

\[10:54:21 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; (although the pixels value for this selector would change depending on the DPI)</span>

\[10:57:13 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung_away: yes i was specifically wondering about how we would handle that.. i suppose for inches we could just do the conversion in the UI.. the pixels would be the more confusing one for the user i think</span>

\[10:59:12 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; yura : can we discuss about pagination issue ?</span>

\[10:59:28 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; logiclord: sure</span>

\[11:00:10 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; yura : now I have managed to parse and load chapter content for validated epub 2 and mostly epub 3 as well</span>

\[11:00:24 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; logiclord: awesome</span>

\[11:00:43 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; and the issue is how do I divide chapter (which you can think as an html file)</span>

\[11:01:07 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; multiple solutions are there but I think we should according to our case</span>

\[11:01:28 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; 1 preprocess entire page and divide to store in an array of pages</span>

\[11:01:42 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; pro - easy next - prev</span>

\[11:02:13 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; cons - even a small change in css by UI option component will reset our chapter</span>

\[11:02:27 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; and no preview for UI option ?</span>

\[11:03:16 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; other way could be that I tried to keep entire chapter separate and current page being maintained and extracted everytime we go next-prev</span>

\[11:03:30 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; any other option you would like to suggest ?</span>

\[11:04:04 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; and which to choose.. I am really confused</span>

\[11:04:27 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; moreover editing features will make things even more complicated</span>

\[11:05:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; logiclord: right, so for the second option you would need to recalculate things on the fly everytime presentation changes ?</span>

\[11:07:17 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; yura : for presentation changes I would have to recalculate in both the cases but I would be easy in second case</span>

\[11:07:33 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; logiclord: and what would be the drawback ?</span>

\[11:07:39 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; for the second case</span>

\[11:08:36 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; yura : for every next-previous page click we would have to recalculate (basically DOM tree traveral to reach nearest leaf)</span>

\[11:09:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; yura : actually having images make things complicated</span>

\[11:09:57 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;cindyli&gt; anastasiac: can you clarify what &#034;current page has text shadow; get rid of in high-contrast&#034; means in jira: <a href="http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLOE-15" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://issues.fluidproject.org/browse/FLOE-15</a></span>

\[11:11:08 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anastasiac&gt; cindyli, in the main navigation bar, whichever page is the current page (i.e. with the green background in the regular theme), the text has a shadow. We should get rid of the shadow in high-contrast</span>

\[11:12:11 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; logiclord: and the calculation takes significant time ?</span>

\[11:12:58 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;cindyli&gt; ok, thanks, anastasiac</span>

\[11:13:35 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anastasiac&gt; alexn, if you&#039;re looking for something to work on this one: &#034;Search results &#034;details&#034; toggle&#034;  I didn&#039;t actually get anything done yesterday, so you could work on that</span>

\[11:13:37 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; yura : actually I have not tried it</span>

\[11:15:11 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;yura&gt; logiclord: I think in case of an actual e-book , it generally recalculate things once things update, so maybe it makes sense to test the second approach and see how demanding it is</span>

\[11:15:52 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; anastasiac: sure! I just need to push a pull request to Andrey and will start working on this <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

\[11:16:06 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; yura : okay I will implement second option and test it</span>

\[11:17:41 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; yura : I think we should edit entire chapter in WYSIWYG editor rather then individual pages</span>

\[11:17:52 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; yura : just from experience</span>

\[11:31:54 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; yura : forgot to mention in second option we can&#039;t move directly to a particular page in a chapter but we can in first one</span>

\[11:32:39 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;logiclord&gt; bascially second will not give much indication of content left and alreay read in current chapter</span>

\[11:43:28 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anastasiac&gt; michelled, my fix for the failed login accessibility is ready for your review: <a href="https://github.com/acheetham/OER-Commons/tree/584-failed-login" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/acheetham/OER-Commons/tree/584-failed-login</a></span>

\[13:05:18 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung_away&gt; justin_o: re DPI. I guess only inches and cm are required as a view option. So is this a feasible thing to do on the UI?</span>

\[13:06:17 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung_away: sure i think so.. the conversion between the two shouldn&#039;t be too hard</span>

\[13:12:23 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anastasiac&gt; cindyli, you mentioned a way to configure screen readers to read the longest label/title/text. Do you know how to do this in Jaws and NVDA?</span>

\[13:13:34 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;cindyli&gt; anastasiac: i will dig out from Jaws and let u know. not sure about NVDA. As alexn mentioned, the default NVDA setting might already reads out the label</span>

\[13:14:26 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; yes NVDA should read out the label - at least it is default behaviour</span>

\[13:14:29 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; although !</span>

\[13:15:06 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; if you use keys 7 and 9 to read through the content. NVDA just reads a chunk of text and then waits for user input so you have to press 7 or 9 multiple times through the content to listen</span>

\[13:15:09 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anastasiac&gt; alexn, NVDA is not reading out a label attached to a link that has link text, it&#039;s only reading the link text</span>

\[13:16:19 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; anastasiac: let me double check</span>

\[13:16:42 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;cindyli&gt; anastasiac: with Jaws menu: settings center -&gt; web/html/pdfs -&gt; links -&gt; &#034;speak&#034; section -&gt; select the option &#034;longest of above&#034;</span>

\[13:17:04 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; anastasiac: NVDA reads it perfectly fine on the production website</span>

\[13:17:11 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; I&#039;m using default settings</span>

\[13:17:15 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; and IE8</span>

\[13:17:15 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anastasiac&gt; alexn, what does it read?</span>

\[13:17:16 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;cindyli&gt; btw, &#034;settings center&#034; inside menu &#034;utility&#034;</span>

\[13:17:27 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;jhung&gt; justin_o: glad to hear it! So likely it&#039;ll appear as a pair of radio buttons near the top (near the reset link).</span>

\[13:18:02 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anastasiac&gt; cindyli, I choose &#034;settings centre&#034; and nothing happens!</span>

\[13:18:08 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; anastasiac: <a href="http://www.oercommons.org/" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">http://www.oercommons.org/</a> when I keyboard focus on No Strings Attached - it reads out No Strings Attached and then the content of the popup</span>

\[13:18:30 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anastasiac&gt; ok, alexn, I&#039;ll look at that for a model for the mockup</span>

\[13:20:12 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung: i&#039;m not sure how the rest of your ui looks.. would it be better to include that close to the actual units</span>

\[13:20:24 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; i&#039;m assuming it&#039;s for entering units</span>

\[13:20:27 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; or is there emore to it</span>

\[13:20:34 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;Justin_o&gt; jhung: ^</span>

\[13:24:54 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; alexn: I took a look at your 575 branch - looks good to me</span>

\[13:25:04 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; alexn: please issue a pull request against staging</span>

\[13:26:03 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; michelled: ok. some JS optimization there <ac:emoticon ac:name="cheeky" /> with fluid.each</span>

\[13:27:09 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; sorry, am I missing something alexn - is there some code duplication I didn&#039;t notice?</span>

\[13:29:44 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; well yeah. Andrey had like 4 copy pastes</span>

\[13:29:49 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; I made them all into 1 loop</span>

\[13:29:51 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; <ac:emoticon ac:name="cheeky" /></span>

\[13:30:07 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; <a href="https://github.com/anvk/OER-Commons/commit/726207b9f9eadbdba96aaebdd3faf28aecce8c4c" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/anvk/OER-Commons/commit/726207b9f9eadbdba96aaebdd3faf28aecce8c4c</a></span>

\[13:30:20 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; my branch has only 1 commit really</span>

\[13:30:25 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; so it is easier to see my changes here</span>

\[13:30:27 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; am I looking at the wrong branch alexn? <a href="https://github.com/anvk/OER-Commons/compare/ISKME:staging...OER-575" class="external-link" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/anvk/OER-Commons/compare/ISKME:staging...OER-575</a></span>

\[13:31:10 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; oh sorry I asked you to review 2 pull requests for 545 and 575</span>

\[13:31:16 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; sorry - I thought you are talking about 545</span>

\[13:31:18 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

\[13:31:23 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; ah <ac:emoticon ac:name="smile" /></span>

\[13:32:09 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; alexn: I&#039;m still confused - according to our chart 545 is already on production</span>

\[13:32:17 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anastasiac&gt; cindyli, reinstalling Jaws worked - thanks!</span>

\[13:32:19 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; alexn: is there another branch that needs to go in?</span>

\[13:32:39 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; well my change is a part of that 545 major ticket about improving alt text</span>

\[13:32:44 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; should I create a separate ticket</span>

\[13:33:30 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; yes, you should create another ticket - that one was big enough to begin with</span>

\[13:33:36 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; ok my bad - I should open a separate ticket. For some reason I saw the issue in the list of things there hmm</span>

\[13:33:54 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;alexn&gt; ok then please ignore my 545 branch for now</span>

\[13:36:02 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; anastasiac: you have 2 563 branches - which one should I look at for the login drop down fix?</span>

\[13:36:45 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;anastasiac&gt; sorry michelled: look at 563-account-settings-menu</span>

\[13:36:55 CDT(-0500)\] <span style="color: black"> &lt;michelled&gt; thx anastasiac</span>